tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6803667991676302656.post65312658465548408..comments2024-02-27T09:12:26.299-08:00Comments on Limatunes' Range Diary: Judged By Twleve, Carried By SixLimahttp://www.blogger.com/profile/08687819351571987594noreply@blogger.comBlogger5125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6803667991676302656.post-55170864930406783572014-09-17T13:43:57.136-07:002014-09-17T13:43:57.136-07:00I totally agree Zombie. I advocate that everyone w...I totally agree Zombie. I advocate that everyone who carries a firearm get high level, realistic training whenever they can. I train as often as possible and carry daily. <br /><br />I went to a very interesting presentation on the law enforcement side of defensive shooting. They said that most officers who are involved in a shooting leave police work within a few years over the experience. While those who remain in law enforcement are more likely to be involved in another shooting. The theory is that once that bridge has been crossed, you are less likely to hesitate, or freeze up, over the fear of unknown consequences that will arise from defending yourself.<br /><br />For me, the most interesting information came from an officer who had been involved in four separate shootings over a period of years. In the first shooting, he experienced visual and auditory exclusion as well as a distorted perception of how much time was passing. The next two shootings each had a lower level of physical/psychological effect on him. The fourth didn't have any of those effects. He said that he knew that he was going to have to shoot the fourth guy when he first laid eyes on him. He said that he didn't know if he was subconsciously recognizing something about the guy's expression or body language, but he knew. He said that he had already drawn and was on target by the time the guy had turned towards him enough to see a gun. He said that he can't explain it, but he knew the outcome was pretty much a foregone conclusion. <br /><br />I experienced some of the things he was discussing and if you ever want to talk about any of this, I would be more than willing to do so.Rampart01https://www.blogger.com/profile/07557397047483198454noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6803667991676302656.post-82794432908843770642014-09-17T09:11:53.853-07:002014-09-17T09:11:53.853-07:00Really good point Oelric. We have to be willing t...Really good point Oelric. We have to be willing to take the consequences if we are going to carry a firearm for self defense. My response to my situation once the dust cleared was to get more training and tweak it to better apply, get insurance, and be even more determined to be prepared.<br /><br />What is it with DAs/Prosecutors making underhanded jabs at people? The Prosecutor in my case told the persons I protected my self and children from to continue to try and make contact with me in order to get me to violate the no contact order and make his case easier.<br />zombie gunnerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10661566447875361712noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6803667991676302656.post-66217705701781878702014-09-17T08:53:05.584-07:002014-09-17T08:53:05.584-07:00I have also been involved with a self defense shoo...I have also been involved with a self defense shooting. My worst time period was with the DA making public statements about having difficulty deciding what he was going to do since he did not consider it a perfect self defense situation. In the end, I had spoken with my attorney about getting a court date demanding to be formally charged since three separate investigations had been conducted and each found the shooting to be self defense, but the DA continued to make public statements questioning my judgement and decision making. I wanted my day in court so that I could publicly tell my side of the story. In the end the DA issued a decision that while he felt the shooting was not lawful, he didn't feel that he could prove a criminal charge.... <br /><br />There was a short lived civil case which my insurance settled for less than the cost of trying the case. The guy I shot survived and his settlement was for less than half of his medical costs, but his attorney didn't think they'd be able to get more in court. <br /><br />There will be an aftermath to any self defense shooting. You can either accept it or not. I don't want to sound trite, but these are big boy rules we are operating under here. and we need to accept that. If you get yourself so twisted up on what may happen after something like this, you're better off locking the gun up since carrying it only makes you a danger to yourself and others. The perfect self defense situation rarely exists outside of the hypothetical arena. In the aftermath, there will always be another way to view it once we have complete information and the luxury of a Monday morning quarterback jersey. Rampart01https://www.blogger.com/profile/07557397047483198454noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6803667991676302656.post-85301191343117363342014-09-16T11:17:07.156-07:002014-09-16T11:17:07.156-07:00Thank you for sharing your experience. It is exper...Thank you for sharing your experience. It is experiences like yours that make me cringe every time that phrase is thrown out. I'm so sorry you had to go through it. If you're ever interested in talking about it further I would appreciate the opportunity to ask you some questions. <br />Thanks again for the response. Limahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08687819351571987594noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6803667991676302656.post-23721099218098875372014-09-16T08:19:44.270-07:002014-09-16T08:19:44.270-07:00I have been judged by 12. Even though I knew the ...I have been judged by 12. Even though I knew the law and acted within the bounds of the law I still had to fight for my freedom in court. The effects of the whole ordeal were and are devastating. Most of my family will not longer talk to me. Life long friends are scared of me and have cut me off. Our community we were living it pushed us out. The financial strain swallowed all of our resources and still taxes our stability as we pay off the bills. The whole ordeal brought my husband and I to the brink of divorce. To top off all of those stresses I had to hand my fate over to 12 people who didn't know me. Of those 12, two people voted guilty. The first one because I used a firearm and she was against firearms outside of the police and military. The second juror is the one that scared me the most. He stood and said, "I don't know, so I'm voting opposite of everyone else. Guilty." He was the juror who slept off and on during the trial.<br /><br />I'm with your opinion, Lima. I detest the phrase "I would rather be judged by 12 than carried by 6." Hopefully more people read your article and began to understand the actual cost of having 12 people decide your future. zombie gunnerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10661566447875361712noreply@blogger.com